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ببراعة كلامية جدلية ركز كل جهده على شهادة بابياس وحاول أن يلخص كل تاريخ الإنجيل في شخص واحد فقط ثم ركز على خطأ له في قصة موت يهوذا وحاول ضرب تاريخ الإنجيل كله !!!!!

حقيقة برافوا عليه !!!!!!!!!!!!!

والغريب أنه يلح في حواره مع الزميل أوريجانوس على التجرد وترك الإيمان بأن القديس مرقس هو كاتب الإنجيل حتى يتوصل مع العميد إلى نتيجة في حوارهما وكأن التاريخ كان متوقفا على هذه النقطة التاريخية لحوار العميد وأوريجانوس !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

والغريب أننا لو طبقنا ذلك على الإسلام والقرآن لما قبلنا حرف واحد فيه ، لسبب بسيط وهو أن أهم الصحابة لم يلتزموا بوصية نبي المسلمين لهم بل خالفوه على طول الخط ، خاصة في الأيام الأخيرة وعلى سبيل المثال فقد رفض عمر وصية نبي المسلمين لحظة وفاته وقال " أن النبي قد غلبه الوجع " أي لا يدري ما يقول :
ولو فتحنا سجل عمر وتدخلاته في حياة نبي المسلمين وتدخله في قرارته المصيرية لأحتجدنا إلى مساحة ضخمة !!!

+ " حدثنا أحمد بن عبد الرحمن بن وهب حدثنا عمي أخبرني يونس كليهما عن الزهري عن عبد الله وقال يونس أخبرنا عبيد الله بن عبد الله عن ابن عباس رضي الله عنهما قال لما حضرت رسول الله الوفاة وفي البيت رجال منهم عمر بن الخطاب رضي الله عنه قال هلموا أكتب لكم كتابا لن تضلوا بعده فقال عمر رضي الله عنه إن رسول الله لوجع وعندكم القرآن حسبنا كتاب الله فاختلف أهل البيت واختصموا ".
أحاديث في ذم الكلام وأهله 1 : 141
+ " حدثنا عبد الله حدثني أبي حدثني وهب بن جرير ثنا أبي قال سمعت يونس يحدث عن الزهري عن عبيد الله بن عبد الله عن بن عباس قال : لما حضرت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم الوفاة قال هلم أكتب لكم كتابا لن تضلوا بعده وفي البيت رجال فيهم عمر بن الخطاب فقال عمر ان رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قد غلبه الوجع وعندكم القرآن حسبنا كتاب الله قال فاختلف أهل البيت فاختصموا فمنهم من يقول يكتب لكم رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم أو قال قربوا يكتب لكم رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ومنهم من يقول ما قال عمر فلما أكثروا اللغط والاختلاف وغم رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قال قوموا عني فكان بن عباس يقول ان الرزية كل الرزية ما حال بين رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وبين أن يكتب لهم ذلك الكتاب من اختلافهم ولغطهم
تعليق شعيب الأرنؤوط : إسناده صحيح على شرط الشيخين
مسند أحمد بن حنبل 1 : 324

+ " أخبرني زكريا بن يحيى قال ثنا إسحاق بن إبراهيم قال أنا عبد الرزاق قال ثنا معمر عن الزهري عن عبيد الله بن عبد الله عن بن عباس قال : لما حضر رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وفي البيت رجال فيهم عمر بن الخطاب فقال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم هلم أكتب لكم كتابا لن تضلوا بعده أبدا فقال عمر إن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قد غلب عليه الوجع وعندكم القرآن حسبنا كتاب الله فاجتمعوا في البيت فقال قوم قوموا يكتب لكم كتابا لن تضلوا بعده أبدا وقال قوم ما قال عمر فلما أكثروا اللغط والاختلاف عند رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قال لهم قوموا عني قال عبيد الله وكان بن عباس يقول إن الرزية كل الرزية ما فات من الكتاب الذي أراد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم أن يكتب أن لا تضلوا بعده أبدا لما كثر لغطهم واختلافهم ".
سنن النسائي الكبرى ج 4 : 360

+ " وعن ابن عباس قال : لما حضر رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وفي البيت رجال فيهم عمر بن الخطاب قال النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم : " هلموا أكتب لكم كتابا لن تضلوا بعده " . فقال عمر : إن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم [COLOR=Red]قد غلب عليه الوجع

فهذا أحد أهم الصحابة يرفض كلام نبي المسلمين ويصفه بالذي لا يدري ما يقول " قد غلبه الوجع " ويرفض أن يجعله يكتب.
هذا الكتاب الذي قال أنهم ، أي المسلمين لن يضلوا بعده ، وهذا جعل ابن العباس يقول " إن الرزيئة كل الرزيئة ما حال بين رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وبين أن يكتب لهم ذلك الكتاب لاختلافهم ولغطهم ".

وقد رأى البعض أن هذا الكتاب يختص بأحقية علي في الولاية !! وقد رفضه عمر وأبو بكر !!!
رفضوا وصية نبيهم !!!! وهم صحابته!!!!

وقد اتهموا بتحريف القرآن بسبب مصالحهم في الخلافة !!!
بل وقد ماتت السيدة فاطمة وهي غير راضية عن أبو بكر الذي ترى أنه أغتصب الخلافة من زوجها وهي التي قال عنها نبي المسلمين رضى فاطمة من رضاي"

جزء فضائل فاطمة

وقد ماتت دون أن تكلم أبو بكر :
" أخبرنا محمد بن عمر حدثني معمر عن الزهري عن عروة عن عائشة قالت إن فاطمة بنت رسول الله أرسلت إلى أبي بكر تسأله ميراثها من رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فيما أفاء الله على رسوله وفاطمة حينئذ تطلب صدقة النبي التي بالمدينة وفدك وما بقي من خمس خيبر فقال أبو بكر إن رسول الله قال لا نورث ما تركنا صدقة إنما يأكل آل محمد في هذا المال وإني والله لا أغير شيئا من صدقات رسول الله عن حالها التي كانت عليها في عهد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ولأعملن فيها بما عمل فيها رسول الله فأبى أبو بكر أن يدفع إلى فاطمة منها شيئا فوجدت فاطمة عليها السلام على أبي بكر فهجرته فلم تكلمه حتى توفيت وعاشت بعد رسول الله ستة أشهر أخبرنا محمد بن عمر حدثني هشام بن سعد عن عباس بن عبد الله بن معبد عن جعفر قال جاءت فاطمة إلى أبي بكر تطلب ميراثها وجاء العباس بن عبد المطلب يطلب ميراثه وجاء معهما علي فقال أبو بكر قال رسول الله لا نورث ما تركنا صدقة وما كان النبي يعول فعلي فقال علي ورث سليمان داود وقال زكريا يرثني ويرث من آل يعقوب قال أبو بكر هو هكذا وأنت والله تعلم مثلنا أعلم فقال علي هذا كتاب الله ينطق فسكتوا وانصرفوا أخبرنا محمد بن عمر أخبرنا هشام بن سعد عن زيد بن أسلم عن أبيه قال سمعت عمر يقول لما كان اليوم الذي توفي فيه رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم بويع لأبي بكر في ذلك اليوم فلما كان من الغد جاءت فاطمة إلى أبي بكر معها علي فقالت ميراثي من رسول الله أبي صلى الله عليه وسلم فقال أبو بكر أمن الرثة أو من العقد قالت فدك وخيبر وصدقاته بالمدينة أرثها كما يرثك بناتك
الطبقات الكبرى 2 : 315

والسؤال هنا هل يؤمن لمن تخلوا عن وصايا نبيهم ومنعوه من الكتابة ونكثوا بعهوده وأجاروا على ابنته التي لم تكلم أبو بكر حتى ماتت في حين نبي المسلمين قال أن رضاها من رضاه؟؟؟!!
ألا نصدق بعد ذلك من قال من المسلمين بأن هؤلاء حذفوا الكثير من القرآن وبدلوا وغيروا وأضافوا لآياته تبعاً لمصالحهم ؟؟؟؟!!!



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