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- بابياس يقول عنه يوسيبيوس إن فهمه محدود (2) ، وفي الموسوعة الكاثوليكية أنّ يوسيبيوس قال عن بابياس ( عقله صغير ) ، ومن كان كذلك فشهادته مجروحة ، فسقط الاستشهاد به من جميع الجوانب .

والذي دعى يوسيبيوس إلى هذا الكلام هو ما قاله بابياس بخصوص الألفية ( الألف سنة ) التي تكون بعد قيامة الأموات ، يقول يوسيبيوس :
( نفس الكاتب , يقدم أشياء أخرى وصلته من التقاليد غير المكتوبة, ومن ضمنها بعض الأمثال الغريبة وتعاليم المخلص, وبعض الأشياء الأخرى الخرافية ..
ومن ضمن هذه الأشياء حسب إفادته أنّه بعد قيامة الأموات ستكون ألفية ( ألف سنة ) , حيث يؤسس فيها المسيح ملكه بشكل مادي على هذه الأرض ) (3) .

ثمّ يضيف يوسيبيوس قائلاً :
( أظن أنه حصل على هذه الأفكار من خلال سوء فهم لما قاله الرسل ، وهو غير فاهم أنّ الأشياء التي قالوها كانت محكية بصورة غامضة .
لأجل ذلك يبدو أنّ فهمه محدود ) .. (4) .

فإذا كان بابياس ذا فهم محدود وعقل صغير ، وأنّه لا يفهم ما يُقال له ، فهذا يضطرنا إلى فقدان الثقة كلياً فيما يقوله ، وبالتالي فإفادته ( شهادته ) حول إنجيل مرقس ساقطة وباطلة مردودة بيقين .
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يبنى يوسيبيوس رأيه فى بابياس معتمدا على رؤية بابياس فى حرفية فترة الألف سنة و لكن حسب كتاب الأب متى المسكين و المعنون ب" الحكم الألفى " نجد ان هذا الرأى لم يقل به بابياس بمفرده و إنما نادى به أيضا يوستين الشهيد و إيرينيئوس و ميليتو و هيبوليتوس و ترتليان فهل كل هؤلاء فهمهم محدود و عقلهم صغير و انت أدرى منى بقيمة هؤلاء . حقيقة ان بابياس هو الاسبق و هم نقلوا عنه و لكن لا يستيطع أحد ان يقلل من قيمة كل هؤلاء و يحذف كتاباتهم و يصفهم بصغر العقل لمجرد ان لهم رأيا معينا فى مسألة الألف سنة علما بأن هناك الكثير من الطوائف الحالية لا زالت تعتقد بهذا الاعتقاد و إن كان لنا اعتراض على بعض آراء بابياس مثل رايه فى نقل مرقس عن مذكرات لبطرس فى إنجيله فلا ينسب الأمر إلى التشكيك فى نسبته للإنجيل إلى مرقس الرسول و لكن حدة الأب متى المسكين على بابياس تكمن فى مسئوليته فى التقليل من أهمية انجيل مرقس بالنسبة لمن بعده باعتباره مجرد ناقل لم ير و لم يسمع خلافا للحاصل.
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