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الزميل العزيز أيوب،

الملاحظات المسجلة على الانسان مخبريا وواقعيا لم تسجل وجود طفرة كروموسومية نافعة.
عند إرادتك لفرض نظرية ما عليك أن لا تغفل نقاطا محورية فيها، وليس العدد الكرموسومي أبدا بأمر هامشي.
أنا بعد أربعة سنين في البكالوريوس وسنتين في الماجستير أعتبر هاويا في الأحياء والوراثة، فشكرا لك على التقييم الذي فات أساتذتي.
عموما، عندك منظر لهذه النظرية من أهل الاختصاص وهو الختيار، فاطلب رأيه هل ثبت مختبريا وقوع طفرة نافعة في الانسان أو الرئيسيات؟
عدم وقوع الطفرة يعني أننا لا نستطيع الحكم على نظريتك العتيدة تجريبيا، فنستعمل وسائل أخرى للحكم عليها.
وأمر آخر، لا يؤثر ثبوت النظرية وعدم ثبوتها على الإسلام من حيث أنه عقيدة مبنية على الخلق، فلا النظرية تنفي الخلق ولا تثبته، وتعارضها الظاهر مع شيء من الإسلام يمكن حله عند الكثيرين، وهو لا يعنيني لا من حيث الحل ولا من حيث التعارض.
ما يهمني أنك حين تريد أن تثبت نظرية تقتضي التغير في العدد الكرموسومي وجوبا، فعليك أن تثبت إمكانية التغير هذا واقعيا وليس فرضيا في الموضوع المدروس في النظرية، وهو هنا الإنسان.
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طبعا يا دوريمي انا استعملت كلمة لو، لو انك انتبهت لها.
اذن الموضوع ينحصر في الافتراضات والاحتمالات.
عزيزنا دوريمي، الطفرات الموجود فعلا في الانسان غير منتجة وغير محمودة. ولم تسجل في المختبر حالات مماثلة سواء في الانسان أو في الرئيسيات، وان كانت قد سجلت في القوارض كما ورد في الورقة التي نقلها الزميل زياد.
لقد انتبهت إلى لوّك :) (من لو)، وكتبت على أساسها أن كلامك لم يكن دقيق علمياً.

فما تقوله لا علاقة له بالافتراضات والاحتمالات العلمية الممكنة، لأنه وكما كتبت سابقاً، يتطلب عدداً لا نهائياً من التجارب التي يجب أن تنفي إمكانية فائدة هكذا طفرات ماضياً وحاضراً، وهذا مستحيل احتمالياً وفرضياً !

لسنا بحاجة لإثبات نفع الطفرات الكروموزومية لإثبات التطور.
التطور مثبت في شتى المجالات العلمية كما أوردنا سابقاً.
ووجود ظواهر تطورية لم نكتشف أسبابها بعد، لا يعد عائقاً أمام الكمية الهائلة من المعارف والتجارب المخبرية والطبيعية التي تثبت صحة التطور.

تماماً كما أن وجود ظواهر لا نستطيع، حالياً، فهمها بالكم والنسبية، لا يهدد نسف هذين النظريتين عن بكرة أبيهما.

كل ما يمكن أن يأتي به المستقبل بخصوص هذه النظريات هو تصويب وتحسين وفهم أكبر لآلياتها، وليس تحطيم لها ولما هو مثبت ومجرّب منها.

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عزيزنا دوريمي

لا أستطيع أن أرى أين تفسر النظرية التطورية الاختلاف في العدد الكرموسومي! هذا الامر لا أراه يقع على هامش النظرية بل في قلبها، إذ أنه أحد المميزات الرئيسة للأنواع. ومن دون هذا الأمر يصبح التصنيف مظهريا بحتا، وهذا هرطقة بذاته.
طبعا لأن المظهر الخارجي إنما هو التعبير عن التوزيع الجيني المحمول على الكرموسومات. وقد يتشابه المظهر الخارجي والسلوك مع اختلاف الكروسومات والجينات، كحالة الأرنب البري والداجن الذان يصنفان كنوعين مختلفين في جنس واحد.
هل هناك طفرة كرموسومية حدثت عند الأصل المفترض للرئيسيات العليا فأنتجت الانسان والالقرود العليا؟
إذا كان الحال مفترضا كذلك، فلم لا نعثر على مثل هذه الطفرة في دنيا اليوم؟ وهل يقاس الشاهد على الغائب أم الغائب على الشاهد؟

طبعا الطفرات الجينية لا مشكلة فيها، وهي موجودجة بكثافة المفيد منها والضار، غلا أنها لا تغير النوع.
إلا أن الطفرات الكرموسومية الناجحة هي المغيرة للنوع، وهي التي ينبغي أن تثبت حتى يصبح البحث في التفسير المظهري لها منتجا.

* سؤال إلى من اطلع على الأمر، هل من الممكن دراسة العدد الكرموسومي للمتحجرات؟ أنا لا أظن أن الإجابة ستكون بالإيجاب لكن سأزيح ظني وسأنتظر رأي مطلع!
فإن كانت الإجابة بالإيجاب، فهل من توزيع كرموسومي للنياندرتال؟

طبعا زميلنا دوريمي لا تستطيع النظرية النسبية تفسير كل شيء، ولن يبعد ان يستبدلها العالم عاجلا أم آجلا بنظرية أعم وأشمل ومدعمة بالبراهين أكثر، لكن حين طرح أينشتين نظريته كان قد استند إلى مطلقية ثبات سرعة الضوء بالفراغ، ولو كان العالم تجريبيا يعرف غير ذلك وقتها لطرد أينشتين بالشلوط من قاعة المحاضرات، ذلك أن مطلقية ثبات سرعة الضوء هو ركن النظرية.

التغير الناجح في العدد الكرموسومي لا يمكن قبول النظرية إن عجزت عن تفسيره، طبعا ذلك يكون لأننا لا نستطيع أن نجده في الأنواع المتنازع عليها في الواقع المغاش ولا في المختبر. ولا يمكن قبول النظرية ليس تحكما، بل لأن ما يجري على أرض الواقع ينازعها. طبعا هذا الرفض غير مطلق بل نسبي ويمكن أن يتغير عند ثبوت هذا التغير الناجح في الكروموسومات.

ولا يوقف ذلك النقاش في النظرية ليس لهذا السبب، ولا من أجل الميتافيزيقيا، بل لأن النظرية تفيس الشاهد على الغائب كحال من يريد أن يعرف س بدلالة 3 في المعادلة التالية
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التغير الناجح في العدد الكرموسومي لا يمكن قبول النظرية إن عجزت عن تفسيره،

يعنني زميلنا خالد ترك الكم الهائل من الشواهد والإثباتات المخبرية والغير مخبرية على صحة التطور، ليعلق مصيره بالطفرة الكرموزومية المفيدة التي لم يكتشف العلم بعد أليتها تحولها عند الرئيسيات !

عذراً يا عزيزي، ولكن ما تقوله لا يتعدى اللغو والسفسطة العلمية.

يعني قلنا وكررنا ما هو معروف كبديهة في المنهج العلمي، أن النظريات التي أثبت العلم صحة الكثير من تطبيقاتها لا تختفي لأنها لم تفسر بعد ظاهرة ما، بل هي تتحسن وتتطور عندما نكتشف هذه الظواهر مستقبلاً.

يعني النسبية لم تقضي على النيوتنية والكمية لم تذبح النسبية.
القضية هي تصحيح وتصويب للنظريات السابقة في مجالات لم تكن تطبق فيها أو كانت تجهلها.

والكل يعلم أن علم الوراثة هو علم حديث جداً ولا يتجاوز عمره القرن، ومعظم اكتشافاته تمت في السنوات الأخيرة القليلة، وأنت تأتي لتشكك ولتعلق حبل مشنقة التطور بذيل الطفرات الكرموزومية النافعة التي لم تكتشف بعد عند الرئيسيات !

للتطور أدلة وبراهين لا تحصى تتعدى هذه الجزئية التي تريد أن تجعل منها عموده الفقري وكأنه بني على أساسها وحدها !

يعني لو اتبعنا نفس منطقك مع النظريات العلمية الأخرى لما تقدم العلم والمعرفة خطوة واحدة !

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لماذا أشعر أن معارضي نظرية التطور لا يحترمون رقم

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و هو عمر الحياة على كوكب الأرض في المجموعة الشمسية في مجرة درب التبانة في الكون الوحيد الذي نعرفه عمليا !

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في المجموعة الشمسية وحدها هناك على الأقل ثلاث أماكن ملائمة للحياة في زمن ما منها تيتان ... قمر زحل الغامض الذي يشكل اليوم تحديا علميا كنموذج للأرض أثناء تكون "بذور" الحياة.

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اري ان الحوار مع الزميل العزيز خالد قد وصل لطريق مسدود , فالشئ الوحيد الذي من الممكن ان يفصل فيما شجر بيننا لهو المنهج العلمي Scietific method والزميل خالد الذي يقول انه يحضر الماجستير "في مجال يتلعق الاحياء والبيئة"- رغم انني لاحظت ضعف مستواه بالبيولوجيا حيث انه فشل في ان يعرف "النوع" بدقة , كما انه يقول ان معظم الطفرات ضارة , رغم انه من الثابت علمياً ان معظم الطفرات محايدة - لا يعترف بهذا المنهج العلمي فيصلاً بيننا, بل قام "بطبخ" منهج خاص للنظرية لكي يرفضها, فهو يطالب النظرية -استثناءً- بتفسير جميع الظواهر الاحيائية المعروفة, ليس هذا فقط بل انه اتي باستنتاج مطبوخ من دماغه وادعي انه حقيقة علمية , فهو يدعي ان كل الطفرات الكرومو ضارة , وحتي عندما طالبناه اكثر من مرة ان يئتينا بورقة علمية تدل ان الطفرات الكروموسومية الغير ضارة هي مستحيلة الحدوث , تمنع وما استطاع لهذا سبيلا , وان في هذا لاوضح دليل علي ضاله شأن كلامه السفسطائي غير ذي الوزن علمياً.

فقد صار جلياً ان الزميل خالد [MODERATOREDIT]يهذر [/MODERATOREDIT]وينتهز الفرصة ليلعب معنا لعبة المساكة الانترنتية , لذلك اعلن عن توقف الحوار معه حتي يأتيني بدليل علي ادعائه [MODERATOREDIT]الكاذب [/MODERATOREDIT]والذي ادعاه في المداخلة رقم 123 حيث قال
اقتباس:باختصار عزيزنا، أثبتت التجربة المختبرية امتناع وجود كائن قادر على التكاثر نتيجة طفرة كروموسومية. هذا ما حصل في المختبر

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ولن تنفعك تلافيفك الانشائية عديمة المعني , في يوم يقيّم العقل ما يأتي به المحاور.

وانتظر ورقتك العلمية والا اعتبرت هارباً من هذا الحوار.

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Questions raised by the discovery of Homo Floresiensis
By Espe Espigares


Homo Floresiensis
The discovery of the remains of an unknown pre-historic human on a little island near Indonesia shook up the scientific community a few weeks ago. This has been considered the most important event in palaeoanthropology in decades. The bones of seven different individuals where found in the Liang Bua cave of Flores Island, with unique characteristics that classify it as a new species of human: Homo Floresiensis. This little hominid that lived between 85,000 and as close to our times as 13,000 years ago, was 3 feet tall [one metre], had a brain smaller than that of a chimp and was able to build quite sophisticated tools.

Many questions arise from this discovery. How did this hominid manage to get to this island? Who were its ancestors? How could it make tools having such a small brain?

It would appear that Homo Floresiensis is a descendant of Homo Erectus (which appeared some 1.8 million years ago) that dwarfed once it got to the island. This phenomenon, known as “island dwarfing”, has been seen several times. Species that become extremely isolated can dwarf due to a combination of lack of high calorie food with a lack of predators. A rabbit sized animal in such conditions would have the most efficient size in terms of energy saving, so big animals tend to dwarf and small animals tend to get bigger in order to adapt to this isolated environment. We have several well-documented cases of this, as for example the stegadons, which were primitive dwarfed elephants.

The question that follows is, as Homo Floresiensis is a descendant of Homo Erectus, how did Homo Erectus get to the island? There are a few theories that attempt to explain this: one of them is that Homo Erectus may have been able to build small rudimentary boats. There are other more fantastic – and less scientific – explanations, but the most logical and more likely answer to this question is that Homo Erectus got to the island on floating mats of vegetation. There may also have been small islands that do not exist any more which created a short-lived land bridge between Flores and the mainland. This scenario may seem unlikely and improbable, but whether they floated on vegetation or crossed over a land bridge, they only had to do so once, so over a long period of time Homo Erectus had several chances of wining this lottery.

The fact that Homo Floresiensis appeared some 85,000 years ago, and bones have been discovered dating from 13,000 years ago, confirms another interesting fact: that several species of humans have shared the planet at the same time. This is an idea now accepted in the scientific community, but articles on Homo Floresiensis in newspapers seem reluctant to accept it. It is proven without doubt that Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals lived in Europe at the same time. However, this is presented as an exception to the rule. In fact it is quite likely that several different species of hominids existed at the same time.

Evolution is not a linear and gradual matter. Evolution works in a dialectical way where for long periods of time nothing much seems to change. During these long periods there are quantitative changes taking place, and these quantitative changes accumulate. These longer periods are interspersed with shorter periods where quantity changes into quality, where the accumulated quantitative changes transform into apparently sudden and huge qualitative changes, shaking the old arrangement of the species. The late palaeontologist Steven Jay Gould termed this process “punctuated equilibria: “the history of life is not a continuum of development, but a record punctuated by brief, sometimes geologically instantaneous, episodes of mass extinctions and subsequent diversification.” (quoted in Alan Woods and Ted Grant “Reason in Revolt”)

Evolution does not function according to clear cut eras and periods, as seen on an ‘evolutionary tree’. It is not a linear process in which less developed species kindly disappear leaving room for the most advanced ones. It is not a step-by-step process of gradual evolution, but proceeds dialectically with periods of changes and development overlapping one another. Gould describes it in this way: “Evolution is a theory of organic change, but it does not imply, as many people assume, that ceaseless flux is the irreducible state of nature and that structure is but a temporary incarnation of the moment. Change is more often a rapid transition between stable states than a continuous transformation at slow and steady rates.” (Gould, Stephen Jay 1980. “A Quahog is a Quahog”, The Panda’s Thumb). For instance it would be absurd to think that Neanderthals simply disappeared over the course of one day or just a few years in order to clear the way for Homo Sapiens.

Scientists are puzzled by the fact that Home Floresiensis could make tools having such a small brain. This is another example of non-dialectical thinking. Size does not always matter. The proportion of brain size in relation to the body is more important than the size itself. Quality is more important than quantity. The fact that Home Floresiensis had the capacity to make tools should not be surprising at all. Its brain may have been smaller than that of other tool-making hominids but its structure is sophisticated enough to make tools. We have also to take into account that Homo Floresiensis is a descendant of Homo Erectus, who was able to make tools. That Homo Floresiensis evolved by reducing its body size to adapt to the environment of an isolated island, doesn’t mean that it lost brain capacity in the process. Even just taking the aspect of brain volume, where is the evidence that a Saint Bernard is cleverer or more intelligent than a Chiwawa?

What is clear is that this hominid is not an aberration or an exception to the rule, but something that could be quite common, which may result in the discovery that yet more different species of hominids shared the earth at the same time and we do not yet have knowledge of their existence.

A lot has been made of legends in remote villages on Flores Island about small human-like monkeys that would come from the forest to the villages, eat and spoil crops and even take away babies. Scientists have been very surprised by the similarities between the descriptions from villagers of this “Ebu Gogos” (meaning he who eats anything) with Homo Floresiensis. In fact the nickname of the most well preserved specimen of Homo Floresiensis, Ebu, comes from these legends. The possibility has even been raised of finding these hominids still living somewhere on the remote islands. Although this is quite unlikely, what is certain is that in the remote case that these legends originally had any basis in truth, mixed with fantasy, they have now been conditioned by present day reality, and this will colour the attempts of scientists to find clues about Homo Floresiensis.

What makes as human?
Even so, there are hypothetical questions being raised about how we would treat them in the case that they still existed. They are from the same species as we are so... what makes as human?


Homo Floresiensis alongside Homo Sapiens
This seems like a very tricky question and it can only be answered correctly from a dialectical point of view. There are two main theories that attempt to answer this question. On the one hand there is one school of thought that describes Homo Sapiens as the most intelligent and cleverest species of hominid, distinct from all of the other species, who are all put in the same bag, and are described as less intelligent. The abilities of early Homo Sapiens are often over-estimated and exaggerated while the abilities and intelligence of all other hominids are often under-estimated. On the other extreme you have scientists who exaggerate the abilities of primates. It is true that the study of apes is very useful in order to understand human development. That we are cousins of the monkeys and we have 98% of genetic code in common is not a small detail. But that obviously has its limitations.

Language is an important difference. But is it exclusive to humans? Studies show that not only monkeys, but also other animals more distant in evolution from us can use sounds to communicate to each other and with the pack. Animals have very sophisticated ways of sharing information. Bees for example can communicate to each other the exact position of where flowers are to collect pollen. But they are unable to compare this information with the location of flowers on previous days. Monkeys use different sounds to warn each other about dangers. The sounds can be quite specific, being different when danger comes from above (i.e. an eagle, to which monkeys will react by looking up and hiding) or from below (i.e. a snake, to which they will react by climbing and hiding in the trees). But this cannot be considered a language of monkeys because other animals from completely different species that live nearby can “understand” these sounds and act accordingly in order to protect themselves. This, although interesting enough, is not language. It is certainly a method of communication, but not language.

Monkeys cannot learn to speak. Firstly their brain is not developed enough. Language requires a level of abstract thought that they do not possess, and secondly but much more importantly, it is physically impossible, because they lack the vocal apparatus to be able to speak. Our ancestors were able to develop language by the lowering of the larynx in a way that enlarges the resonance chamber in the throat and mouth, enabling us to produce a range of sounds that is well beyond the capabilities of apes. We are not born with this apparatus fully developed. Babies are born with high larynxes which drop as they grow, enabling them to speak. In fact that is quite useful for babies because it allows them to swallow and breathe at the same time avoiding the danger of choking when feeding.

Learning is also an important characteristic that makes us human. Most animals can also learn, so we must put the question in a different way: can animals teach? No, they cannot. They cannot teach and they learn mostly by imitation. Animals can facilitate learning to their offspring, for example slowing down what they are doing so it is easier for their young to pick up the technique. A cat will bring a half dead mouse to its kittens so they can practice their hunting techniques. This is not teaching but facilitating learning.

Culture is another aspect that must be taken into account. For example, some monkeys use wood to break nuts while other groups use stones. This has been considered by some to be a rough embryonic culture but what it really shows is that monkeys learn by a lot of trials and a lot of errors, and by imitation.

Making tools
The most important aspect is the ability to create tools. There are some examples of alleged tool making by monkeys. Some monkeys chew leaves to create a sponge to get to hard in order to reach areas to soak water to drink. There are also cases of monkeys that use sticks to get ants in a safe way from dangerous columns of deadly ants or from the inside of trees. As curious and exciting as this may be, these tools are so rudimentary that they cannot be considered as such. Even if one were to consider these as tools, they are very different from the tools made by hominids. Chimps do not have the capacity for abstract thought that would allow them to make something more sophisticated, and using a stone to crack a nut cannot be considered as making a tool. They are bound by the limits of their natural surroundings and are “using tools”, not “making tools”. Even if you consider chewing a leaf to use as a sponge a tool, what is clear is that these are never built before the moment in which they need them, and they forget about them the moment that they finish with the particular task. This can be more accurately described as using the environment than as creating tools.

Even so, in decades studying monkeys we have only found a few examples of monkeys using “tools”. These examples are so scarce that they are anecdotal, while we have thousands of examples and ample evidence of tools made by hominids of all kinds and shapes, usefulness and sophistication. We also have to take into account that many of the tools made by our ancestors were built with materials that were less durable than stone. They may have built tools that we will never have the chance to see, made for example from wood, leaves, skin of animals, etc...We tend to find mostly the ones that were left in caves, not because all hominids lived in caves, but because conditions there are better for their preservation.

It is the combination of all these things that make us human – language, the ability to teach, culture, and tool making. Some animals have what is a very embryonic or primitive version of some of these abilities, but the qualitative difference is more than relevant. What made us human, what made language, culture and complex learning a necessity was labour. Labour is a unique characteristic that we do not share with any other animal on the planet and this is the crucial difference that separates us from them. Through labour we are the only species that has been able to transform the environment and use it consciously for our own benefit. In the words of Engels: “the animal merely uses its environment, and brings about changes in it simply by its presence; man by his changes makes it serve his ends, masters it. This is the final, essential distinction between man and other animals, and once again it is labour that brings about this distinction.” (The Part played by Labour in the Transition from Ape to Man)

The climate was the most important factor that forced life to evolve. From the very beginning evolution is a race to adapt to the environment. We do now know quite accurately what the temperature of the earth was in pre-historic times. Measuring the layers of oxygen (which is more scarce and lighter in ice) at the bottom of the oceans has given us an accurate pre-historic temperature history of the earth. The retreat of glaciers created a dramatic change in climate which transformed the jungles of Africa (the cradle of humans) into savannas. All natural life had to adapt to this new environment and for the early apes this meant they had to leave the trees and forests. In an open space an upright position was much more advantageous allowing hominids to see danger from a distance. This was the first stage in freeing the hands for labour, and the whole body had to adapt to this change.

The upright position also had another major advantage: they lost speed but gained in being able to walk longer distances. Again it was necessary to adapt the centre of gravity nearer the trunk of the body. Freeing the hands was a major breakthrough because it allowed hominids to start building the tools needed to adapt to harsher environmental conditions. At the same time this labour developed the brain, which allowed us to build even more complicated tools. As the complexity of the tools grew, collaboration between different individuals and language became a necessity. Engels brilliantly describes this process: “the development of labour necessarily helped to bring the members of society closer together by increasing cases of mutual support and joint activity, and by making clear the advantage of this joint activity to each individual. In short, men in the making arrived at the point where they had something to say to each other.” (Ibid) This led us to our mastering of nature.

Oppression of women
Going back to Homo Floresiensis. Of the bones from the seven individuals, the best preserved is of a female know as LB1 or by the nickname of “Ebu”. We know that it was a female because of the shape of the pelvis. The bones are not fossilized so it may be possible to extract DNA. This is surely going to be of key importance if we are to know more about this species of hominid and about our own origins.

What is really surprising is that although the main object of study discovered was a female, in all the newspapers hardly without exception the graphic representation was of a male. This is a very common practice in palaeoanthropology. Books, textbooks, museums, etc, tend to represent human ancestors as males. This is wrong from a scientific point of view and it shows that science and scientists are not immune from the prejudices dominant in society.

We also have to remember that scientific theories are also shaped by the society we live in – modern-day class divided society and capitalism. In the textbooks we have pictures of Homo Sapiens, our closest ancestors, with white skin, fair hair and looking very agile and sophisticated, while the Neanderthals are depicted as hairy beasts with dark skin and looking very similar to apes. These images presented to us by “science” are quite unlikely to represent the true picture. Homo Sapiens had just arrived from Africa and Neanderthals had been the first ones to colonise the north of Europe. So it is actually much more likely that Sapiens had dark skin and hair and that Neanderthals were the fair-haired ones with blue eyes! These prejudices are not always so obvious and palpable as in the drawings but they still affect theories, and sometimes in a very disturbing way.

We live in a class divided, male-dominated society. Science is affected by this and often today’s standards, today’s models, are superimposed on prehistoric society. But human society has not always been male dominated and has not always been divided into classes. In fact for most of human existence this was not the case. The oppression of women arose with the appearance of private property. In this respect some very interesting conclusions emerge from a study of our ancestors.

The upright position which freed the hands for labour and the growth of the brain that resulted from this, created a physical contradiction for the procreation of humans. In nature, there is not much growth of the brain once an animal is born, so we could say that animals are born when their brain reaches maturity. If this were the case with humans the period of pregnancy would have to be 21 months. This would have deadly consequences for the mother and the baby because our brains and heads have evolved to become too large for passage out of the womb during birth.

So evolution solved the problem for our ancestors: giving birth prematurely. Even so it is a very tight squeeze and the bodies both of women and babies had to adapt. The mother’s pubic bone becomes more elastic during late pregnancy allowing the two halves of the pelvis to separate slightly during birth and the plates of the baby’s skull, which in adults are welded together, slide over each other at the edges as the head forces its way through the birth canal, making the skull slightly smaller. In fact, we are born on the edge of survival. We are just about able to make it. This is why premature birth is so dangerous for humans, while with other animals it is not such a problem. Humans are helpless when born and their underdevelopment demands even more need of attention and care from their parents.

If we look at apes, they are much more agile when born and they can easily jump onto their mother’s back and grip her in a way that allows her to carry on more or less with her normal everyday life, climbing trees, looking for food and grooming. An animal that is born underdeveloped is more dependent and demands more work from the mother. Originally this did not led to a disadvantage for women because raising the offspring was done in a collective manner in primitive human society. Unlike what we commonly see in drawings of pre-historic communities, in which we are shown a nuclear family composed of one mother, one father and one child, the primitive family was a much larger group of relatives helping and supporting each other.

There was division of labour between male and female, but this did not mean discrimination because all tasks were considered equally important. In fact the role of women in primitive society was extremely valued by society. Women’s responsibility for raising children became only a “disadvantage” with the development of class society. With the development of technology, agriculture and cattle breeding a surplus was created. This surplus was very modest. It was not enough to share with everybody in the clan, so only a small minority benefited from it. The division of labour, that previously had not mean any disadvantage for women, now became precisely that because of the role that man had in production. Engels described this change as “the world historic defeat of the female sex”:

“To him, therefore belonged the cattle, and to him the commodities and the slaves received in exchange for cattle. All the surplus which the acquisition of the necessities of life now yielded fell to the man; the women shared in its enjoyment, but had no part in its ownership.” (Origins of the Family, Private Property, and the State)

It was not so called “human nature” or some kind of male conspiracy that led to the development of class society and the oppression of women. The material conditions changed and these created the basis for class society and with it the oppression of women. This is the basis of Marxist philosophy: Materialism. In the study of the origins of humans and evolution this means that we have to analyse the objective conditions to understand the course of events. Humans evolved in a very sophisticated way, not because they had been given the gift of reason, but because the material conditions demanded it. Reason and the capacity of abstract thought evolved from these material conditions.

The application of the method of Marxism, dialectical materialism, allowed Engels to draw the general lines of the evolution of man as early as in 1856 when there was very little fossil evidence to support it. In those days the most important trend in evolutionary theory was idealistic. Reason was considered as the crucial aspect of being human, instead of considering it as something that we have acquired with the development of evolution and as a result of the needs created by labour.

Today most scientists disregard philosophy in general, and Marxism in particular. However, consciously or unconsciously, we all have a philosophy which we use constantly when we observe and analyse the world around us. If we do not consciously use a philosophy, we use the one of the dominant capitalist class, which is permeated by all kinds of prejudices and idealism. This philosophy looks at events from the point of view of a class divided society and aims to justify the status quo. The most recent discoveries in all fields of scientific research have confirmed that nature works in a dialectical way. Marxist philosophy, dialectical materialism, is the most advanced method of analysis available to us. It is a vital tool for workers and youth, not only to understand where we are and where we want to go and how, but also where we come from.

December 2005

See also:

The Demonic Ape By Alan Woods (January 2004)
What is Historical materialism By Mick Brooks (November 2002)
A tribute to a great scientist: Stephen Jay Gould By Fred Weston (May 23, 2002)
Engels and Human Development By John Pickard (June 1984)
Historical Materialism By Mick Brooks (September 1998)
Reason in Revolt, Marxism and Modern Science By Alan Woods and Ted Grant
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قرأت المقال ضمن موقع مجلة nature الشهير ، و باختصار فإن ما أورده الأوطامي يقول بأن بعثة اكتشفت في 2003 في أندونيسيا فصيلة غريبة جداً من البشر وجدوا لها 8 هياكل .

عاش هذا النوع من البشر على جزيرة معزولة من جزر أندونيسيا ما بين 80 ألف إلى 13 ألف عام تقريباً و استخدم الأدوات و كان يصطاد .

و هذا ليس بالشيء العجيب ، الشيء العجيب هو القصر الشديد لهؤلاء البشر ، حيث يبلغ معدل الطول متراً واحداً لمن هم في الثلاثين من العمر ، و حجم الدماغ بحجم حبة الغريب فروت ، يعني ثلث حجم الدماغ لدى البشر الإنسان الحديث حتى في حالات التقزم يبقى حجم الدماغ ضمن المعدل .

و قد أُطلق على هذه الفصيلة اسم homo floresiensis أو Hobbits

و المدهش في هذه الجزيرة هو وجود الفيلة القزمة أيضاً ، مما حدا بالمكتشفين و غيرهم من القول أن العوامل البيئية التي أدت إلى تقزيم الفيلة هي ذاتها التي أدت إلى تقزيم هؤلاء الناس بسبب العزلة و محدودية المصادر الغذائية .

اقرأوا معي :
The species' diminutive stature indicates that humans are subject to the same evolutionary forces that made other mammals shrink to dwarf size when in genetic isolation and under ecological pressure, such as on an island with limited resources

و المقال كاملاً تجدونه ضمن هذه الوصلة

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البحث العلمي ومن ثم الحقيقة العلمية لا تنتج إلا من "منهج علمي" مقنن ومنظم ومنضبط ومفهوم فما هو "المنهج العلمي" المستخدم في نظرية التطوّر ؟ هذا السؤال ليس تشكيكا في علمية داروين الذي قال عن تدينة بأنه "لاأدري" وهو سؤال قد يقود إلى إجابة تحتاج الى مجلد كامل لمتابعة الأدلة العلمية والتجربة والتعميم وأذكر أنني قرأت أن من بين الأدلة عليها هو وجود أعضاء في تكوين الإنسان البيولوجي لم تعد مستخدمه كالعضلات التي تحرّك الأذن ووجود ما يساعد على هضم الاطعمة الخشنة والتي كانت تساعد الانسان من قبل الحضارة .
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