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براءة يهوذا و نجاة المسيح
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مرقس [15: 21-22]  
وسَخَّروا لِحَمْلِ صَليبِهِ سِمعانَ القِـيرينيَّ، أبا اَسكَندرَ وروفُسَ، وكانَ في الطَّريقِ راجعًا مِنَ الحَقلِ. وجاؤوا بـيَسوعَ إلى المكانِ المَعروفِ بالجُلجُثةِ، أيْ مكانِ الجُمجُمَةِ..
متى [27: 32-33]
وبَينَما هُمْ خارِجونَ مِنَ المدينةِ صادَفوا رَجُلاً مِنْ قَيرينَ اَسمُهُ سِمْعانُ، فسَخَّروهُ ليَحمِلَ صَليبَ يَسوعَ. ولمَّا وصَلوا إلى المكانِ الّذي يُقالُ لَه الجُلجُثَةُ، أي ((مَوضِعُ الجُمجُمَةِ))
لوقا [23: 26-33]
وبَينَما هُم ذاهِبونَ بِه، أمسَكوا سِمعانَ، وهوَ رَجُلٌ قِـيرينيٌّ كانَ راجِعًا مِنَ الحَقلِ، فألقَوا علَيهِ الصَّليبَ ليَحمِلَهُ خَلفَ يَسوعَ. وتَبِعَهُ جُمهورٌ كبـيرٌ مِنَ الشَّعبِ، ومِنْ نِساءٍ كُنَّ يَلطِمْنَ صُدورَهُنَّ ويَنُحْنَ علَيهِ. فاَلتَفَتَ يَسوعُ إلَيهِنَّ وقالَ: ((لا تَبكِينَ علَيَّ يا بناتِ أُورُشليمَ، بَلِ اَبكِينَ على أنفُسِكُنَّ وعلى أولادِكُنَّ. سَتَجيءُ أيامٌ يُقالُ فيها: هَنيئًا لِلَّواتي ما حَبِلْنَ ولا ولَدْنَ ولا أرضَعْنَ. ويُقالُ لِلجِبالِ اَسقُطي علَينا، ولِلتِّلالِ غطِّينا. فإذا كانوا هكذا يَفعَلونَ بالغُصنِ الأخضَرِ، فكيفَ تكونُ حالُ الغُصنِ اليابسِ؟)) وساقوا مَعَهُ إلى القَتلِ اَثنَينِ مِنَ المُجرِمينَ. ولمَّا وصَلوا إلى المكانِ المُسمَّى بالجُمجُمَةِ...  
يوحنا 19: 17
فخرَجَ وهوَ يَحمِلُ صَليبَهُ إلى مكانٍ يُسَمَّى الجُمجُمَةَ، وبالعبرِيَّةِ جُلْجُثَةَ.

1- ذكر مرقس أن اسم حامل الصليب "سمعان" و اسم ولديه "اسكندر و روفس" و يبدو أن هذا الشخص كان معروفاً في الحي عندما كتب مرقس إنجيله و ذكر فيه اسم ولديه أيضاً.. و يحتمل أنهما كانا توأمين لأننا في العادة نقول أبو فلان فقط، و ليس أبو فلان و فلان!!
أما متى فقد اكتفى بقوله: ((رَجُلاً مِنْ قَيرينَ اَسمُهُ سِمْعانُ)) و لم يذكر اسم ولديه، و حذا لوقا حذوه و أضاف: ((كانَ راجِعًا مِنَ الحَقلِ)). أما يوحنا فقد شذ عن زملائه و جعل حامل الصليب هو المسيح نفسه!! ولكن ما السبب في ذلك؟ يقول الناقد الغربي دينس إيريك نينهام – أستاذ اللاهوت بجامعة لندن و رئيس تحرير سلسلة بايكان لتفسير الإنجيل - في تفسيره لإنجيل مرقس [ص 416] : ((في الوقت الذي كتب فيه الإنجيل الرابع (100-125)[SIZE=5] كان الادعاء بأن سمعان قد حل مكان يسوع و صلبه بدلاً منه لايزال سارياً في الدوائر الغنوسطية التي كانت لها الشهرة فيما بعد.)) و هذا يدل أنه منذ تلك الأيام كان الناس يشكون في حقيقة المصلوب.

الكلام بالأخضر الكبير كلام منطقى جدا وخصوصا مع تناقض الاناجيل الاربعة فيما من حمل الصليب فبعضهم قال سمعان والبعض قال المسيح والواقع هو سمعان الذى القى عليه شبه المسيح.

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