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يسوع من الأنبياء الكذبه حسب روايات العهد الجديد
السيد فانسي
تحياتي

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و كيف ستدافع - طبعا ليس بالسيف - بل بالرد علي نظرية اطلاع متى و لوقا علي بشارة مرقس؟
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اثبت يا سيدي ذلك. فكل ادعاء لابد له من بينة.

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ولكن ان تحداني احد ان اقول من الذي يرد علي مداخلاتى فساقول ( زيد جلال )
و هكذا انا اجبت السؤال و التحدي
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ولا تحدي ولا يحزنون. اسمي مكتوب امامك. فإن حجبوا اسمي فأنت تعرف أسلوبي. فليس في هذا إعجاز.

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جندي (س) ضرب ( المسيح بحسب الجسد ) و يقول له احدهم
تنبا من الذي ضربك ؟
فان كان المسيح غير معصوب العينين قال
هذا هو لقد رايته
و هكذا كان اختبارهم لهذه النبوءة باعصاب العينين
تنبا لنا ايها المسيح من ضربك
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ليس في هذا أدنى إعجاز لأن الأطفال يفعلونها وهو يمارسون لعبة "الاستغماية" وينجح من تدور عليه الدائرة في التعرف على من ضربه وهو معصوب العينين أو ينجح في الإمساك به ليحل محله، وهكذا. الإعجاز أن يقول: إن الذي ضربني هو الجندي الرومي فلان بن فلان من كتبية كذا. كما ضربني بعده الخادم فلان بن فلان الذي يعمل في مكان كذا عند الأمير. وهذا لا يحتاج لتعصيب العينين كما ترى.

الزميل الفاضل عبد المسيح
تحياتي لشخصك

ملخص ما تقوله سيادتكم:

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1- جاء إرسال التلاميذ في متى ولوقا بعد معجزة الصبية بفترة وجيزة.

2- في الإنجيلين أمرهم أن لا يحملوا عصا.

3- جاء الإرسال في إنجيل مرقس بعد معجزة الصبية بشهور لطواف المسيح في القرى قبل ارسال التلاميذ.

4- إذن هما حدثان (إرسال فوري في متى ولوقا + إرسال في مرقس بعد شهور).
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نقول بكل حياد وسعيًّا وراء الحقيقة وأن يتعلم بعضنا من بعض:

القول بأن إرسال التلاميذ في متى ولوقا جاء بعد معجزة شفاء الصبية بفترة قصيرة للغاية قول يجانبه الصواب بسبب ما يلي بعد شفاء الصبية:

1- وَكَانَ يَسُوعُ يَطُوفُ الْمُدُنَ كُلَّهَا وَالْقُرَى يُعَلِّمُ فِي مَجَامِعِهَا وَيَكْرِزُ بِبِشَارَةِ الْمَلَكُوتِ وَيَشْفِي كُلَّ مَرَضٍ وَكُلَّ ضُعْفٍ فِي الشَّعْبِ. (مت 9: 35)

ثُمَّ دَعَا تَلاَمِيذَهُ الاِثْنَيْ عَشَرَ وَأَعْطَاهُمْ سُلْطَاناً .... هَؤُلاَءِ الاِثْنَا عَشَرَ أَرْسَلَهُمْ يَسُوعُ وَأَوْصَاهُمْ قَائِلاً:..... (مت 10: 1 – 5)

متى: (شفاء الصبية + شهور حسب رأيك + إرسال التلاميذ)

2- فَأَخْرَجَ الْجَمِيعَ خَارِجاً وَأَمْسَكَ بِيَدِهَا وَنَادَى قَائِلاً: «يَا صَبِيَّةُ قُومِي». فَرَجَعَتْ رُوحُهَا وَقَامَتْ فِي الْحَالِ. فَأَمَرَ أَنْ تُعْطَى لِتَأْكُلَ. (لو 8: 55)

وَدَعَا تَلاَمِيذَهُ الاِثْنَيْ عَشَرَ وَأَعْطَاهُمْ قُوَّةً وَسُلْطَاناً عَلَى جَمِيعِ الشَّيَاطِينِ وَشِفَاءِ أَمْرَاضٍ وَأَرْسَلَهُمْ لِيَكْرِزُوا بِمَلَكُوتِ اللهِ وَيَشْفُوا الْمَرْضَى. وَقَالَ لَهُمْ:......... (لو 9: 1 – 3)

لوقا: (شفاء الصبية + إرسال التلاميذ مباشرة)

3- وَأَمْسَكَ بِيَدِ الصَّبِيَّةِ وَقَالَ لَهَا: «طَلِيثَا قُومِي». (الَّذِي تَفْسِيرُهُ: يَا صَبِيَّةُ لَكِ أَقُولُ قُومِي). (مر 5: 41)
وَخَرَجَ مِنْ هُنَاكَ وَجَاءَ إِلَى وَطَنِهِ.... وَلَمَّا كَانَ السَّبْتُ ابْتَدَأَ يُعَلِّمُ فِي الْمَجْمَعِ.... وَصَارَ يَطُوفُ الْقُرَى الْمُحِيطَةَ يُعَلِّمَ وَابْتَدَأَ يُرْسِلُهُمُ اثْنَيْنِ اثْنَيْنِ وَأَعْطَاهُمْ سُلْطَاناً عَلَى الأَرْوَاحِ النَّجِسَةِ وَأَوْصَاهُمْ .......... (مر 6: 1 – 8)

مرقس: (شفاء الصبية + شهور حسب رأيك + إرسال التلاميذ)

هل في هذا إصرار على الرأي أم البحث والتأكد بحيادية إن شاء الله؟

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