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داروين...

إذن موقفك النهائي من أصل المادة ونشأتها يأخذ مستويين اثنين:

الأول:
أنك لا تستطيع أن ترجح أي الإحتمالين هو الصحيح، هل المادة أتت من العدم، أم أن المادة أزلية.

الثاني:
أنك ترفض احتمال أن منشأ المادة هو قوة غامضة لا نعلم كنهها.

أليس هذا هو موقفك؟

حسنا...

دعنا الآن من الحديث عن تلك القوة الغامضة، ولننظر في الإحتمالين الذين تقول بأنك لا تستطيع أن ترجح أحدهما على الآخر:

[b] لو سلمنا جدلا بصحة أن الإحتمال الأول، والقائل بأن "أصل المادة ومنشأها هو العدم"، فإننا بذلك سنقع في تناقض منطقي:


فكيف نفترض وجود عدم، لا شيء، لا مادة، فراغ مطلق، ثم نقول بأن من هذا العدم خرجت النواة الأولى للمادة؟ إذ إننا بمجرد ما نقول ذلك، فإننا ننفي وجود العدم الذي افترضناه أول مرة، فخروج المادة من العدم تنفي كونه عدما لا شيء فيه، وهذا تناقض منطقي لا يقبله العقل.


ولو سلمنا بصحة الإحتمال الثاني والقائل بأن "المادة أزلية"، فإن ذلك لن يحل مشكلة أصل المادة ومنشأها:

إذ أن عبارة "المادة أزلية" إنما تعني بأننا قد افترضنا بأن المادة قد وجدت أو أنشأت وانتهى الأمر، ولكن المشكلة هي أننا نفترض بأنه لا زمن لنشأتها، في حين أننا لا نتكلم عما إذا كان لنشأة المادة زمن أم لا، بل نتكلم عن منشأها وأصلها، وبالتالي فإن القول بأزلية المادة يعتبر موضوعا لا علاقة له بمنشأها.

فخلاصة ذلك هو أن الإحتمال الأول متناقض ولا يقبله المنطق، في حين أن الإحتمال الثاني يبحث في موضوع لا علاقة له بأصل المادة ومنشأها.









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