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سـؤال يحيرنـي... فهل من عاقل يجيبني عليه...؟

داروين...

أنا لم أقولك ما لم تقله كما ادعيت، بل نقلت كلامك مع تعديلات لغوية فقط كي يتضح المعنى الذي تريده أنت وليس أنا، ولأعطيك الآن أمثلة على ذلك:

أنت تقول في عبارتك:
[b] (ولكن سؤالك من أين نشأت نواة المادة غير صحيح؟لبساطة المادة الاولية ولعدم علمنا المسبق بأصلها إن كان محدث أم قديم...)


وبعد أن أصلحت عبارتك جائت على النحو التالي:
(ولكن سؤالك من أين نشأت نواة المادة غير صحيح، وسبب ذلك أن منشا المادة الاولية مجهول...)

فما هو الإختلاف بين قولك "لعدم علمنا المسبق بأصلها" وبين "أن منشأ المادة الأولية مجهول"؟
أليس معنى العبارتين واحد وهو أن أصل المادة مجهول؟

ثم يا عزيزي أريد أن أصل معك إلى حل، على ماذا استقر رأيك حول هذا الموضوع، هل المادة نشأت من العدم، أم أنها أزلية؟ فإن كنت تقول بالإحتمال الأول، أو بالإحتمال الثاني، فقد أثبتنا لك بطلان كلا الإحتمالين بطلانا منطقيا، فراجع ردونا عليك.

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الأستاذ Awarfie...

أولا:
لو كنت قد تابعت حواري مع الزملاء لكنت قد قرأت ردي على أحدهم بشأن العدم، وهو أن العدم فكرة افتراضية خيالية لا وجود ابتكرها الإنسان ليستعين بها على حل مشكلة الوجود.

ثانيا:
أنت تتكلم عن "نظرية الأوتار والجسيمات الفيزيائية والمادة السوداء، أو غيرها من المفاهيم والمصطلحات الفيزيائية والكوزمولوجية وغيرها، قاصدا بذلك محاولة حل مشكلة منشأ أو منبع النواة الأولى للمادة.

النظريات العلمية كلها، بل والعلم نفسه، ولد يوم الثلاثاء الماضي، أي قبل أيام قليلة فقط، في حين أن موضوعنا هو نواة متناهية الصغر نشأت من مكان مجهول قبل أن يوجد شيء أسمه "الكون" بعشرات المليارات من السنين. فكيف وعلى أي اساس نفترض بأن العلم قادر على أن يجيبنا عن منشأ المادة وأصلها؟ بأي منهج علمي نستعين للإجابة على سؤال مثل: "من أين أتت النواة الأولى للمادة" ؟

العلم، وكل النظريات العلمية، لا علاقة له بموضوع منشأ النواة الأولى للمادة، ولا يستطيع أن يقدم لنا قشة كبريت صغيرة، فموضوع مثل هذا ليس له سوى مجال واحد فقط وهو مجال العقل والمنطق فقط.

ثالثا:
الطاقة التي اعتقدت أنت بأنها قد تقدم إجابة حول منشأ المادة، هذه الطاقة هي نتيجة النشاط الداخلي لمكونات الذرة كالبروتونات والألكترونات والنيوترونات وغيرها، أي أن أصل الطاقة هو الذرة، ولم يخالف هذه الحقيقة العلمية حتىالآن أي من علماء الفيزياء.

من هنا، نعود مرة أخرى إلى الذرة لنسأل: "ومن أين أتت هذه الذرة بمكوناتها" ؟











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