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سابقة لمداخلتك و العبرة بالاقدم .

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عجباً !!! ألم نقل منذ قليل أن الله سيحاسب كل إنسان بحسب عمله ؟؟؟ هل الله يحاسب البشر لمجرد إستعدادهم للخطية ؟؟؟
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عزيزي الله يحسبنا طبعا على خطاينا و لكن من أين تأتي هذه الخطايا ؟؟؟؟؟

من الطبيعة الساقطة أو ناموس الخطية الكامن في أعضائنا كما يقول الكتاب المقدس و هو ما توارثناه من اصل البشرية آدم .

الاستعداد لفعل الخطية هو الذي ولد الخطايا .

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ثم ماذا حدث بعد الفداء ؟؟ هل عاد الإنسان لا يُخطئ ؟؟؟ مازال الناس يُخطئون وما زال عندهم إستعداد للخطية !!!
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طبعا مازال الانسان يخطئ لاننا مازلنا نحيا في جسد الخطية و لا فكاك منه الا بالموت الجسدي .

تماما كما ترتدي بدلة جميلة تتعرض للأتساخ و لا طريق لتنظيفها فما هو الحل ؟؟؟

الحل في ان تخلعها لترتدي بدلة او حلة أخرى جديدة تماما .

الفداء لم ياتي لكي يلغي فعلنا للخطية بل جاء لاعطائنا طبيعة جديدة تجعل الخطية
لا تسيطر على المؤمنون الحقيقيون لان المؤمن الحقيقي لا يفعل الخطية متعمدا
و أنما اخطاؤه زلات و لكن ان قلنا ان الفداء و الايمان بالمسيح مخلصا ( يعصم )
الانسان تماما فهذا غير صحيح لاننا مازلنا نحمل في داخلنا طبيعة آدم التي لن نتحرر منها ألا بالموت ( الجسدي )

راجع التالي من فضلك :

رومية 8 : 22 فَإِنَّنَا نَعْلَمُ أَنَّ كُلَّ الْخَلِيقَةِ تَئِنُّ وَتَتَمَخَّضُ مَعاً إِلَى الآنَ. 23وَلَيْسَ هَكَذَا فَقَطْ بَلْ نَحْنُ الَّذِينَ لَنَا بَاكُورَةُ الرُّوحِ نَحْنُ أَنْفُسُنَا أَيْضاً نَئِنُّ فِي أَنْفُسِنَا مُتَوَقِّعِينَ التَّبَنِّيَ فِدَاءَ أَجْسَادِنَا.

حتى الذين آمنوا يعانون من آلام الخطية و اوجاعها منتتظرين تغيير اجسادهم
بأجساد جديدة

راجع التالي أيضا :

كورنثوس الأولى 15 : 47الإِنْسَانُ الأَوَّلُ مِنَ الأَرْضِ تُرَابِيٌّ. الإِنْسَانُ الثَّانِي الرَّبُّ مِنَ السَّمَاءِ. 48كَمَا هُوَ التُّرَابِيُّ هَكَذَا التُّرَابِيُّونَ أَيْضاً وَكَمَا هُوَ السَّمَاوِيُّ هَكَذَا السَّمَاوِيُّونَ أَيْضاً. 49وَكَمَا لَبِسْنَا صُورَةَ التُّرَابِيِّ سَنَلْبَسُ أَيْضاً صُورَةَ السَّمَاوِيِّ. 50فَأَقُولُ هَذَا أَيُّهَا الإِخْوَةُ: إِنَّ لَحْماً وَدَماً لاَ يَقْدِرَانِ أَنْ يَرِثَا مَلَكُوتَ اللهِ وَلاَ يَرِثُ الْفَسَادُ عَدَمَ الْفَسَادِ. 51هُوَذَا سِرٌّ أَقُولُهُ لَكُمْ: لاَ نَرْقُدُ كُلُّنَا وَلَكِنَّنَا كُلَّنَا نَتَغَيَّرُ 52فِي لَحْظَةٍ فِي طَرْفَةِ عَيْنٍ عِنْدَ الْبُوقِ الأَخِيرِ. فَإِنَّهُ سَيُبَوَّقُ فَيُقَامُ الأَمْوَاتُ عَدِيمِي فَسَادٍ وَنَحْنُ نَتَغَيَّرُ. 53لأَنَّ هَذَا الْفَاسِدَ لاَ بُدَّ أَنْ يَلْبَسَ عَدَمَ فَسَادٍ وَهَذَا الْمَائِتَ يَلْبَسُ عَدَمَ مَوْتٍ. 54وَمَتَى لَبِسَ هَذَا الْفَاسِدُ عَدَمَ فَسَادٍ وَلَبِسَ هَذَا الْمَائِتُ عَدَمَ مَوْتٍ فَحِينَئِذٍ تَصِيرُ الْكَلِمَةُ الْمَكْتُوبَةُ: «ابْتُلِعَ الْمَوْتُ إِلَى غَلَبَةٍ». 55أَيْنَ شَوْكَتُكَ يَا مَوْتُ؟ أَيْنَ غَلَبَتُكِ يَا هَاوِيَةُ؟

أما بعد انتقالنا من هذا العالم فستتغير طبيعتنا تماما بالطبيعة الجديدة التي لا تعرف خطية تماما كطبيعة آدم قبل السقوط .
فالطبيعة الفاسدة لا نتخلص بها إلا بالموت و بعدها بموجب فداء السيد المسيح فقد أصبحنا معفيين من الديون الواجبة علينا لأنه سدد الدين الذي علينا و بالتالي بعد خلع الجسد المائت يصبح من حقنا نوال الطبيعة الجديدة .

فحال البشرية كما شرحت لك أشبه بمن أقترض تحفة من مالكها و أفسدها فأصبح من حق المالك استردادها و لكن لكي يوافق المالك على رفع العقوبة عنه و إعطاءه أخرى جديدة مكان التي فسدت وجب عليه سداد ثمن القديمة التي فسدت فكيف يعطيه طبيعة أخرى جديدة و هو لم يسدد ثمن القديمة التي أفسدها ؟؟؟؟؟

كيف يأتمنه على الجديدة و هو لم يزل لم يسدد ثمن الأخرى .

كذلك البشرية , كل من سدد الدين الذي عليه ( ثمن الحياة القديمة الفاسدة ) سيصبح من حقه أن يأخذ الجديدة في الملكوت .

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وهل من العقل أن الله يقتل نفسه على الصليب ليغفر للبشر استعدادهم للخطايا ؟؟ !!
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تعبير غير صحيح , الله لم يقتل نفسه على الصليب , الله بذل كلمته ( الابن )
الازلي المتجسد على الصليب ليعادل بحياته حياة البشرية كما أوضحت لك .

السيد المسيح هو كلمة الله أو القدر من اللاهوت الذي أخذ جسدا بشريا كاملا و أتحد به ثم بذل حياته على الصليب فداء عن البشرية لله .

تعبير ان الله قتل نفسه تعبير سامحني ساذج تردده المواقع الاسلامية بجهل و تدليس و هذا ما لا تنادي به العقيدة المسيحية .

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وماذا عن القانون القديم ؟؟؟ كل إنسان بذنبه يموت ؟؟
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طبعا مازال كما هو لا يتغير بدليل ان من يرفضون السيد المسيح و فداؤه
يموتون في خطاياهم و لا يجدون نصيبا معه في ملكوتا و لا يصبح من حقهم
نوال الطبيعة الجديدة و الجسد الجديد لانهم مازالوا لم يسددوا الدين الواجب عليهم

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وماذا عن الأمم السابقة التي لم تحضر عملية القتل على الصليب ؟؟؟ سنفكر لها في حل .
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هذه الامم ماتت على رجاء مجئ المخلص و لهذا ستنال الخلاص لانها انتظرت
موعد مجئ المخلص و لا ذنبها ان ماتت قبل الفداء .

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أتدري عزيزي المحترم عبد المسيح , إن هذا الأمر شبيه أكثر ما يكون بملك عظيم جداً كان عنده رجل وإمرأة يعملون في قصره ولكنهما عصيا أوامره . فماذا فعل ؟؟؟

طردهما خارج القصر , ثم جاء بعد آلاف آلاف السنين وقال لأحفادهما إن أبويكما قد عصيا أمري وأنتم مرشحين لأن تفعلوا مثلهما وبعضكم يفعل , لذا فإني سأقدم نفسي أو إبني ( لا أدري ) لتعذبوه وتضربوه وتهينوه وتبصقوا في وجهه ثم تقتلوه شر قتلة ومن يصدق هذا منكم أغفر له وأقبله بعد ذلك في القصر حتى لو عصاني بعدها !!!
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طبعا تشبيه غير صحيح و لا علاقة له بالموضوع أطلاقا , التشبيه الصحيح
أن صاحب القصر سلم عهدة للرجل و المراة فبددوا تلك العهدة و لعجزهم عن سدادها قام بطردهما خارج القصر و لكن من محبته و رحمته بهما قام بسداد
العهدة من عنده خصما من مرتبهما و أعادهما مرة اخرى للعمل عنده .

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