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مِنْ أجلِ خلاصٍ صحيح .. لا بد منْ زواجِ المسيح
مرحى يا فتى ... ها قد عدناArray
كالعادة مداخلتك جاءت تكرار لنفس الاسئلة
[/quote]

كالعادة مداخلاتك جاءت لا منطقية فأنت لا تملك اجابة ...
اضافة الى تجاهلك باقي الرد ...!
هل نفترض في ذلك سوء النية ...؟
أم نفترض ضيق الوقت و ننتظر الرد ؟


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سؤالك السابق هذا رده بسيط جدا : الراقدون في التراب تعبير عن ( الاموات ) و معنى الآية ان الاموات سيقومون مرة اخرى
لهذا لن يقوم الاموات ( الراقدون في التراب ) بجسدهم الفاسد الذي هو لحم و دم بل ستتغير
الاجساد الحالية التي تحللت بأجساد أخرى نورانية جديدة
[/quote]

رائع يا فتى أدلتك الباهرة كما عودتنا هي .. تعبير عن .. كناية عن .. رمز ل.. أما المنطق و العقل فلا
و نعود و نقول

ان الروح في دينك ليست في التراب ...
اذا ليست هي المقصودة في النص ...

فامواتكم الذين تقولون انهم ذهبوا الى الأمجاد السماوية و تشجعونهم بقولكم ( مع المسيح ذلك أفضل ) لا تقولون عنهم أنهم في التراب ...
لماذا ؟
لأنكم تؤمنون أن الروح ليست في التراب و انما الذي في التراب هو الجسد المادي الفاني ...

لو قلت لك ان البابا يوحنا يرقد في التراب ستقول لي لا انه في السماء ... لأن الروح في السماء و الجسد الفاني في التراب و الجسد الفاني لم يعد يعنيه الأن ...
و لكن عندما يأتي نص صريح يقول لكم ان الذي في التراب سيقوم ايضا .. تظهر فجأة الكناية و الرمز و يصبح الراقد في التراب تعبير عن روح الأموات ...!

و لكن ألم ننصحك ألا تكون متعجلا ...ألا تقرأ بتأني لتستفيد
هؤلاء الذين جعلت قيامتهم لا بد بجسد نوراني ... لا يعنوننا وحدهم

الراقدين في تراب الارض يستيقظون هؤلاء الى الحياة
الابدية وهؤلاء الى العار للازدراء الابدي . دانيال 2:12

هل رأيت يا فتى أم لم تفهم بعد ؟
ان الراقدون في التراب الذين سيقومون بعضهم سيذهب للنعيم و بعضهم للجحيم ...
لم يفرق النص بين قيامتهم ... و لم يضع لهم الشروط ...
و بعض قاعدتك الساقطة التي وضعتها بأن (الراقدون في التراب ) لن يقوموا بجسدهم الفاسد ...
كيف نجد حلا لمن سيذهب الى الجحيم ... و أنت قلت سابقا أنهم بلا جسد ؟


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كورنثوس الأولى 15 : 47الإِنْسَانُ الأَوَّلُ مِنَ الأَرْضِ تُرَابِيٌّ. الإِنْسَانُ الثَّانِي الرَّبُّ مِنَ السَّمَاءِ. 48كَمَا هُوَ التُّرَابِيُّ هَكَذَا التُّرَابِيُّونَ أَيْضاً وَكَمَا هُوَ السَّمَاوِيُّ هَكَذَا السَّمَاوِيُّونَ أَيْضاً. 9وَكَمَا لَبِسْنَا صُورَةَ التُّرَابِيِّ سَنَلْبَسُ أَيْضاً صُورَةَ السَّمَاوِيِّ. 50فَأَقُولُ هَذَا أَيُّهَا الإِخْوَةُ: إِنَّ لَحْماً وَدَماً لاَ يَقْدِرَانِ أَنْ يَرِثَا مَلَكُوتَ اللهِ وَلاَ يَرِثُ الْفَسَادُ عَدَمَ الْفَسَادِ.

هل ترى الآيات جيدا ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟ أن لحما و دما لا يرثان الملكوت
[/quote]

يا سلااااااااااام ...
ما هذه الحكم التي تتساقط علينا ...

ألم اقل لك يا فتى أنك تسدي لنا معروفا كل مرة ...
ان اللحم و الدم ( الجسد المادي ) لا يقدر أن يرث الملكوت ... ممممم
معلومات قيمة ...

تعالى لنقرأ عن جسد يسوع بعد القيامة المزعومة

37فَجَزِعُوا وَخَافُوا وَظَنُّوا أَنَّهُمْ نَظَرُوا رُوحاً. 38فَقَالَ لَهُمْ: «مَا بَالُكُمْ مُضْطَرِبِينَ وَلِمَاذَا تَخْطُرُ أَفْكَارٌ فِي قُلُوبِكُمْ؟ 39اُنْظُرُوا يَدَيَّ وَرِجْلَيَّ: إِنِّي أَنَا هُوَ. جُسُّونِي وَانْظُرُوا فَإِنَّ الرُّوحَ لَيْسَ لَهُ لَحْمٌ وَعِظَامٌ كَمَا تَرَوْنَ لِي». 40وَحِينَ قَالَ هَذَا أَرَاهُمْ يَدَيْهِ وَرِجْلَيْهِ. 41وَبَيْنَمَا هُمْ غَيْرُ مُصَدِّقِين مِنَ الْفَرَحِ وَمُتَعَجِّبُونَ قَالَ لَهُمْ: «أَعِنْدَكُمْ هَهُنَا طَعَامٌ؟» 42فَنَاوَلُوهُ جُزْءاً مِنْ سَمَكٍ مَشْوِيٍّ وَشَيْئاً مِنْ شَهْدِ عَسَلٍ. 43 فَأَخَذَ وَأَكَلَ قُدَّامَهُمْ. لوقا 24

جسد يسوع له لحم و عظام ... حقا ... هذا شئ رائع و ماذا أيضا ..؟
يسوع عندما قام لم تكن قيامة روحية ( الرُّوحَ لَيْسَ لَهُ .... كَمَا تَرَوْنَ لِي ) ... يا للهول و ماذا بعد ؟
يسوع يأكل الطعام ... ما هذا ... الجسد الروحاني المزعوم يأكل الطعام ...يا سلام .. ان بولس في ورطة

للمرة المليون يناقض بولس يسوع مثلما نقض تعاليمه و نقض الناموس

فبولس يقول (إِنَّ لَحْماً وَدَماً لَا يَقْدِرَانِ أَنْ يَرِثَا مَلَكُوتَ اللّهِ(1 كو 15:50)
1Co 15:50 Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.


أما يسوع بعد قيامته المزعومة فيقول
( الرُّوحَ لَيْسَ لَهُ لَحْمٌ وَعِظَامٌ كَمَا تَرَوْنَ لِي )
Luk 24:39 "See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have."

يسوع يعترف بعد قيامته المزعومأن له لحم و عظام و كلمة لحم في هذه النصوص و التي قالها يسوع في لوقا و وصف بها جسده و قالها بعده بولس في رسالته ليصف من لن يرث الملكوت المقصود بها ليس اللحم فقط تاركا الجلد و الدم مثلا و الا أصبح المعنى مضحكا و تافها و انما المقصود بها الجسد البشري المادي المضاد لمفهوم الروح ... مثلما جاء مثلا في متى 24/41

اسْهَرُوا وَصَلُّوا لِئَلَّا تَدْخُلُوا فِي تَجْرِبَةٍ. أَمَّا الرُّوحُ فَنَشِيطٌ وَأَمَّا الجسد فَضَعِيفٌ متى 24/41
Mat 26:41 "Keep watching and praying that you may not enter into temptation; the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak."

انها نفس الكلمة σάρξ sarx

لننظر معناها في ال NASEC
G4561
σάρξ
sarx; a prim. word; flesh: - bodily (1), bodily condition (1), body (2), earth (1), earthly (1), fellow countrymen (1), flesh (129), fleshly (4), life (3), man (1), mankind (1), nation (1), personally (1).


اذا ان يسوع له لحم و دم و عظام و جسد مادي بشري بعد القيامة المزعومة ...
لذا فيسوع حسب قول بولس و قولك لا يقدر أن يرث الملكوت !!!!!

و الأن أعزائي ذوي العقول التي تفكر و تفهم أمامكم حل لانقاذ الموقف ..
اما أن تنكروا أقوال بولس الذي كثيرا ما خالف يسوع و تقروا أن القيامة بالجسد المادي
أو أن تعترفوا أن يسوع لم يمت ليقوم و لذا فقد كان جسده عكس وصف بولس



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