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تلفيق النبؤات : كيف لفق كتبة الاناجيل نبؤات تتنبأ عن يسوع رغم انف النصوص اليهودية
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لو بحثت في كلمة آية هنا تجد الآتي :

http://greekbible.com/
john 4 : 54


,n {say-mi'-on}
1) a sign, mark, token 1a) that by which a person or a thing is distinguished from others and is known 1b) a sign, prodigy, portent, i.e. an unusual occurrence, transcending the common course of nature 1b1) of signs portending remarkable events soon to happen 1b2) of miracles and wonders by which God authenticates the men sent by him, or by which men prove that the cause they are pleading is God's

فكما ترى عزيزي سواح فكلمة آية sign هنا جاءت بمعنى معجزة أو شئ خارق للطبيعة .

الخلاصة أننا لا نختلف على أن كلمة آية تستخدم أحيانا بمعنى علامة و أحيانا أكثر بمعنى معجزة أو شئ خارق للطبيعة و السؤال هو :

هل في النبوءة التالية :

أشعياء 7 : [U]14وَلَكِنْ يُعْطِيكُمُ السَّيِّدُ نَفْسُهُ آيَةً: هَا الْعَذْرَاءُ تَحْبَلُ وَتَلِدُ ابْناً وَتَدْعُو اسْمَهُ «عِمَّانُوئِيلَ». 15زُبْداً وَعَسَلاً يَأْكُلُ مَتَى عَرَفَ أَنْ يَرْفُضَ الشَّرَّ وَيَخْتَارَ الْخَيْرَ.

[U]جاءت كلمة آية sign بمعنى علامة أم معجزة ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟


أنا أرى أنها جاءت بمعنى معجزة و ليس علامة او أشارة لعدة أسباب :

1 – أن الله سيقوم بهذه العلامة بنفسه و ليس فقط سيستخدم شخص أو ظاهرة طبيعية
لتكون علامة أو أشارة مما يرجح معنى و مفهوم المعجزة و ليس فقط العلامة .

2 – عندما سأل النبي أشعياء الملك آحاز أن يطلب من الرب ( آية ) رفض آحاز الملك
مما يقوي الأحتمال بأن المقصود بالطلب معجزة و ليس فقط علامة و رفض الملك آحاز
مبني على الآية في التوراة التي تقول : لا تجرب الرب آلهك .

لأن الأنسان لا يجب أن يطلب من الله معجزة لكي يؤمن بل يجب أن يقتنع بالله
بقلبه و بالأدلة المختلفة التي يقدمها الله على وجوده و محبته .
لو أخذنا المعنى الثاني لكلمة sign و هو كما أوضحت لك , معجزة أو شئ خارق للطبيعة
يصبح لا معنى لكلمة ( علمه ) سوى عذراء و ليس مجرد شابة حديثة الزواج لأنه لا يوجد sign
بمعنى معجزة أو شئ خارق للطبيعة في أن تحمل و تلد شابة صغيرة حديثة الزواج و انما المعجزة و الآية في ان تحمل عذراء و تلد .


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