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Array
العلاقه و النظام مهما كان بسيطا فهو يتطلب على الاقل علما مسبقا بالخطوه التاليه و إراده تسبق وجود النظام و هذا لا ينطبق على الجماد فهو لا يحوى أى أدوات لتحقيق ما سبق

مثلا خام البيليت جماد و لو تركته مليار سنه لن يخرج منه سيف

و جبل الذهب لو ترتكته الف مليار سنه لن يخرج منه قرط
[/quote]

يا عزيزي علم البيولوجيا و علم الجيولوجيا و الكثير من العلوم كلها ملئى بالامثلة عن انظمة ناشئة و لا محرك لها و لا ارادة و لا علم مسبق. أصلا العلم كله يتمحور حول تفسير كيفية تكون و نشوء الانظمة و عملها بفعل قوى الطبيعة (مثل قوة الجاذبية و القوى الذرية، الخ).

أنت الذي تقول ان هذا كله مستحيل بدون وجود إله. هذا فرض و ليس نتيجة مفروغ منها.


Arrayاما الدليل على انه ليس نظاما فلا تطالبنى به لانك انت من يقول ان الله يجب ان يكون نظام و ليس انا فاثبت انه نظام
دليل على انه حتى الاشياء الغير مبهره لابد لها من صانع
[/quote]

يا عزيزي سأعود الى المربع الاول: أنت تزعم أن اللـه موجود و ليس أنا. إذن أنت قل لي هل "اللـه" نظام أم لا؟ و ما دليلك على هذا الزعم؟


Arrayالسكين التى نقطع بها الطعام عباره عن نظام بسيط جدا جدا و بالرغم من بساطته فلابد له من صانع
هذا الامر ليس بدعة و لا مقترح فلسفى
[/quote]

هذه مغالطة منطقية.

1- أحمد من السعودية
2- أحمد رجل
3- اذن كل الرجال من السعودية

كون أحمد رجل من السعودية لا يعني ان كل الرجال من السعودية. و كوننا نعرف ان بعض الانظمة (مثل السكين) لها صانع، فهذا لا يعني أن كل الانظمة على الاطلاق لها صانع.



Arrayفالكائنات من حيث الخلق اما خالقه او مخلوقه و كى تستطيع نقض كلامى فعليك بتعريف ثالث غير خالق أو مخلوق[/quote]

منطقيا يمكن للشيء أن يكون: خالق، مخلوق، أو موجود غير مخلوق (يعني موجود أزلا) و في نفس الوقت فهو لا يخلق، أو يمكن أن يكون الشيء ظاهرا (أي أنه ظهر و لم يُخلق)، مثل بعض الجزيئات التي يقول العلماء انها تظهر فجأة.
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