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ضعف حجة التصميم في اثبات وجود اللـه
Array
ممكن تعطينا امثلة علىما تسميه موجود غير مخلوق (يعني موجود أزلا) و في نفس الوقت فهو لا يخلق
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مجال الزمكان spacetime continuum.

Array، أو يمكن أن يكون الشيء ظاهرا (أي أنه ظهر و لم يُخلق)، رجاء امثلة فعلية لا اعتباطية مثل قولك مثل بعض الجزيئات التي يقول العلماء انها تظهر فجأة
واني لأرى انه ليس لديك امثلة فعلية فقط اعتباطات وكلام عمومي ليس له اي صحة من الواقع
رجاء حاول ان تكون دقيق وعلمي في كلامك لكي نستطيع الوصول الى نتيجة
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رجاء التزام الاحترام. لا يوجد "اعتباطات" في كلامي.

هناك جزيئات تظهر في الوجود و يمكن قياس طاقتها و مكانها و تأثيرها، و تختفي أيضا. يسميها العلماء Virtual Particles.

أيضا أود أن أشيء أن كلامي كان ردا على الزعيم رقم صفر الذي حدد احتمالات كون الاشياء إما الخالق او المخلوق. نحن بصدد احتمالات منطقية. و أنا اجابتي كانت انه "منطقيا" من الممكن وجود شيء لا خالق و لا مخلوق (أي موجود أزلا و لا يخلق)، و أيضا شيء ظاهر و غير مخلوق (أي موجود وقتيا و غير مخلوق و لا خالق).

و لكن طالما ان اتهمتني بالتعابط، فها أنا قد أعطيتك أمثلة فعلية مع ان الامثلة الفعلية لم تكن لازمة فأنا مجرد كنت أشكك بكلام الزعيم رقم صفر أن الاشياء "لا بد" أن تكون إما خالقة او مخلوقة، و لا يوجد اي احتمال منطقي آخر. هذا غير صحيح منطقيا.
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